So this post originally started as a comment to Longball's post from earlier today, but morphed into such a long rant with multiple revisions, that I figured it deserved its own post!
Alex Akita from Seattle Sports Net made a lot of good points yesterday, starting with the following quote after the jump!
In the wake of our 18th player to depart the program since Leach took the job, Akita said:
"Leach will continue to lose players worth losing in the coming months. And make no mistake about it, every one of those players who quits on his teammates, regardless of talent or ability, will be worth losing. No winning team has a place for quitters."
To counter some of your other points:
+ It doesn't take talent, to hustle and try hard. Sorry Shaney, but Leach has never questioned an individual's talent or efforts, he's only questioned the effort of the team as a whole or particular unit. I have no qualms about that.
+ Wulff on the other hand said from day one of the 69-0 losses that his teams just didn't have the talent, and most on here praised him.
+ Am I missing something? How has he been antagonizing to the media? Because he doesn't discuss injuries? Or has he said things to the media that I am not aware of?
+ Saying wake up people and saying readers make moronic comments because they don't agree with you is kind of silly. I believe it was Voltaire who said, "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Calling people names because they disagree with you isn't a way to get people to buy into or respect what you're saying.
+ The case could easily be made the money Leach has brought in, the national attention (good and bad) he has brought us, and the tickets he has sold, is more important than the 3,000 yards MQW racked up in his career. At least Leach hasn't walked out on the program without accomplishing anything for the team. I can think of a certain #86 who sure has! To me it's about the name on the front of the jersey, to Marquess Wilson, it appears the name on the back of the jersey was more important.
A quick aside. If MQW doesn't return and decides to forgo transferring (if he were to transfer he wouldn't be in the NFL until 2015), an NFL Scout whom I am close with told me he would plummet on his 2013 Draft Board, from his current third round grade, to likely a 6th or 7th round spot.
There are a lot of things wrong with college sports, and in recent years, only the names Terrelle Pryor, Jerry Sandusky and Abortions in Miami need to be uttered, to highlight the win at all cost mentality that many programs have.
I believe Leach is not a win at all costs coach. He is the guy who wants his players to overachieve beyond what their God given talent would normally allow. This method of extracting more than the best out of each, should then pay off between the white lines, in the classroom, and then eventually in the Real World.
It's too bad we live in such a hyper-politically correct society, like we do nowadays. Players calling Coach Wulff and their parents, complaining about things that are unfair. It reminds me of Adam Carolla's rant about the OWS mentality (1:05 min mark).
"When these folks become adults and enter the work force, the boss can't yell 'Hey, lets go, lets get back to work.' Oh you raised your voice at me. You better watch your tone buddy, my dad is a lawyer, and I will take this whole company. Self entitled pricks who think the World owes them a living, and now we're getting the first wave of these d-bags."
Let's face it, you will never be able to have everything you want in a football coach. If you like winning and a high graduation rate, then we will be in for a treat in the coming years. The guy went to as many bowl games in 10 years at Texas Tech as our program has gone through in it's 100+ year history.
Akita then summed his post up with the following sentence which was tough to stomach, coming from a Husky, but it's the truth
"Between a school that has never won at much of anything and a coach that has been legitimately successful elsewhere, I know who I’d side with if I was a fan."
If you'd rather eat orange slices, receive a participation ribbon, sit around and sing Koombaya, and continue to win 1, 2 or 3 games a season, then by all means! Me, I'm looking forward to what the future holds on the field with Coach Leach, in the meantime, we will clearly have fireworks to watch off the field!
To be fair, LBJ has been at both the Utah and BYU games where we have had our worst performances as well as the UNLV where it was a joke of a win. I can understand the frustration. Remember I sat through 69-0 and thought about jumping off a cliff.
Losing creates all sorts of problem. Let's look no further to our uglies to the west and see them throw their coach repeatedly under the bus after each loss.
We are all tired of the losing. Not much we can do about it. The problem I have, is that I am now convinced that we wouldn't won that much more this year with CPW and he would have been canned and we would be starting all over again.
Price is going to retire after this year and I can just see it now. Him working for $100k a year to coach the COugs and CML being sent packing.
I find it funny that this whole argument is going so either or. Just because some of us don't agree with the way Leach handled the last game and the media, we automatically love participation medals and orange slices. It has nothing to do with that. He can scream at those players all he wants in practice and make them do extra work. It is just the way he did it in the public setting with the media that I disagre with. At the Pac-12 coaches call, most of the other coaches said they don't believe in bad mouthing their players to the media. I just think those players are going to be way more willing to fight for their coach than one who throws them under the bus. It is also funny that so many of our fans used to call out Wulff all the time for throwing players under the bus, but now when Leach does it, he is just "changing the culture".
There is going to be turnover in a coaching change as the players came to play for a different coach and people resist change. There is no way around that. But having a guy who has been around the block a time or two, I would have thought he would know how to handle it better than the last coach and work with what he has. But he is making many of the same mistakes that Wulff made in the transition and instead of people seeing that, they just sing his praises because he won somewhere else. I just don't get that.
As far as MW goes, I can not defend him if he quit on his team. But since I was never at practice, I would also understand why he would be fed up if he actually was out there busting his ass and they just kept riding him because he was the star. If any of you have "Swing Your Sword", I suggest reading the part about discovering a way to motivate on page 154 (of the hard copy anyway). It is really spot on this topic. Basically it says Michael Crabtree liked to be coached hard and Leach tells his assistants that if we're pricks to them for four year, they will have better careers. But then he also says you can't assume that approach works for every player, some will just fold. It also says that with some guys, you realize that nomatter what you do, you will never be able to motivate them and the best thing to do is cut them. Very interesting for this situation.
@Selahcoug I'm going to assume that CML didn't just try to holler and crush MW every day that he didn't perform up to standards. I'm assuming CML tried different approaches, and kept getting the same result, which is why MW was always being scolded, and finally he just realized MW was one of those guys who just wont work. Even I, who has been bashing MW for quitting since the moment I heard about it, have said that the kid has talent. He just doesn't put out.
Mr. Akita should be more worried about what is happening with Husky football.
Moos should call the coward out for what he is, a fraud, and not publicly defend him. It's all about wins and both Moos and Leach have failed. Remember Bill Moos doesn't have a Phil Knight here to make him look really good. This was a nightmare hire from the start.
Mike Leach will never get six wins here because is being clearly outcoached. He is only running something like 7 or 8 plays out of something like a total of 15 and he can't get his team ready or even fundamentally sound? Can't even get a running play off because of the wide split nonsense? Sounds like a coaching failure as much as a player effort.
President Floyd really has a mess on his hands of his own making. None of this ends well.
Ha, a post like this is what happens when you go to a Husky for your talking points. Let that be a warning to you all.
So myself, and just about every journalist covering the Cougs including some nationally, have questioned the appropriateness and effectiveness of Mike Leach's public tirades about his team. We are now a bunch of namby pamby weenies who want our players to be coddled and never held accountable for anything. Good fucking grief, this has reached a whole new level of fucking stupid. When we hired Mike Leach everyone was excited about the extra publicity he would bring, well let me tell you, so far that publicity is not good. Its embarassing. I guess wanting my coach to exercise some self control, demonstrate some level of introspection offer more than the flimsiest, most token statements of his own accountability for HIS team makes me a hippy? This is your argument?
And another thing... Why on earth is one coach saying his team (never an individual, but his team) was not physically strong enough, or mature enough less offensive than a coach calling his team cowards and zombies and basset hounds?Oh and by the way, Bill Moos did call out the talent on the team today so I anxiously await your article criticizing him for it.
And another... Free speech? What on earth are you talking about? I called a comment moronic. I didn't delete it or call the cops about it. Was that a serious remark? Do we all need civics class 101?
And finally, I see you have taken up parroting Leach's talking point about political correctness like a good little minion. Nice. Well let me just chime in an say that actually as the highest paid employee in the state of Washington and a representative of one of the states major academic institutions and a major public figure, political correctness is THE BARE FUCKING MINIMUM i expect from our coach whenever he takes the podium. Bare. Minimum.
First of all, the dude writes about all things northwest sports, he just happens to be a Husky. It's pretty hard for me to disagree with what he said, and I think a lot of Cougar fans fully agree with me. So if what he wrote is so bad, do you wish that all of these guys who have quit the program would rejoin the team?
I said nothing about free speech. I used a quote that pertains to the matter. It basically says you can have your opinion and other people can have their opinions and the beauty is that nobody is right or wrong in the matter, and that it's important to live in a place that does tolerate people opinions like the good old USA. I was more the less was drawing a conclusion that calling people names isn't going to help your case. It's not.
Nor did I say anything about Leach needing to be politically correct. I just said we live in a society now that doesn't tolerate anything but being overly politically correct and giving everybody a chance. And honestly, he really hasn't done anything but be very honest. Would you rather have that or hear sugar coated, BS, coach speak in every press conference? Hence the whole Adam Carolla rant.
I'd still love to know how he is antagonizing the media, how MQW has given more to the program than Leach, and how he's publicly shamed kids. Should Leach have to publicly shame himself week in and week out in front of reporters or would you like to hear from the guys out their getting their asses kicked on a weekly basis?
@Longball Are you saying you want player accountability, just not the way Leach is doing it?
@Longball I think Leach is the 2nd highest paid state employee? Sark makes more, doesn't he?
Seriously though, I'm kind of confused? You talk about coddling players, but then disagree with Leach's current treatment of them?
Eating orange slices--check Yellow participation ribbons--check Singing Koombaya for 8+ hours a day--check Writing about and watching 2 win football teams--Check Pretty much sums my life up in a nutshell.
@Sutra You eat orange slices?