Hello Followers. Hope your Sunday is off to a good start.
As for me, well, last night's game and the news which followed re: Coach Wulff has been a real killer.
Mind you, I'm not surprised, but I am real bummed out. I mean, REALLY bummed out.
I told SeanHawk on Wednesday that I thought that Wulff was gone. The reason? As we have mentioned here over and over again, there was no way to let Wulff coach into next season without a contract extension. And while I thought that most of the Cougar faithful would have embraced a decision to extend him after last week's game, I knew that a loss in the Apple Cup would make extending him a political nightmare, even if there was a plurality of WSU boosters who wanted him back.
Of course, even though I knew that we would lose last night's game, I was not entirely prepared to read the news last night that Moos had made the decision to can Wulff even if we had won that stinking game last night.
I mean, really?
Did we really want to can Wulff if he fell one game short of a bowl (and if you count Wilson's touch against Utah, we actually did) with a back-up quarterback in tow?
Did we really want to can a guy and a staff who signed on one of the conference's top returning quarterbacks before he even became a starter at his high school (e.g. how much better at recruiting/talent evaluation can you possibly be?)
Did we really just want to throw away the improved grades, graduation rates, and moral character of the program just because of an abysmall W-L record in our first few seasons?
And truly, it is THAT line of thinking that says it all--not only about College Football today, but also about the character of Bill Moos' and the intitution of "higher learning" that WSU has become. After all, if you take at face value that Mike Leach is the leading candidate to become the next coach at WSU, don't you shudder more than a bit about his history?
I mean, do any of you believe that the stuff about Craig James' son was entirely false? Or, put differently, assuming that James' story (and the attendent investigation by Texas Tech) represented only a half truth, was does that say about our values that we would want to bring on a guy that locked a kid in a small room until he learned better discipline?
Does that behavior--which was enough to get him canned at a school like Texas Tech--reflect the type of values and/or "family" atmosphere that we all like to trumpet about our school?
Is that the type of athletic departmet Moos is trying to cultivate at WSU?
What's more, when you consider the fact that Mike Leach attended our spring game this year, and well, its hard not to get a little nauseous about the hidden plot that may have existed all along.
And, at least for me, that sickness gets worse when I think about Wulff getting canned today or tomorrow even if we had won yesterday. I mean, did we actually just use one of our own alumns to serve as a place sitter for an (allegedly abusive) weirdo that lives and dies for the next Pirates of the Caribean movie as much as the welfare of his student athletes?
So, while we all await news of our new future directions, I would personally like to thank Paul Wulff for his years of service to HIS school.
I want to thank him for eschewing the JC rebuild so we could develop a program for the long haul.
I want to thank him for believing in his players and setting expectations high, even though we didn't have the chips to back up all of the talk he provided at the beginning of each year.
I also want to thank Wulff for treating each of our victorious opponents like they were a top 10 team, so that he could avoid questioning the development, talent, and fortitude of young kids struggling to build a positive identity.
I want to thank him for starting a freshman quarterback in Week 10 so that we could build the program moving forward, even if doing so might have contributed to a 3-9 season that, even under the best of circumstances, would have meant the end of his tenure.
And I want to thank him for showing all of us that sometimes its better to be loyal and principled and lose than it is to be disloyal, unprincipled, and fundamentally dishonest. After all, we've seen too much of that recently in college football. And unfortunately, we now may be seeing that a bit within our own university as well.
So, onto the future we go. And if the story holds, not only will we have pirates running our football program, we will have leaders who have pirated much of the Cougar "family" and its alleged ethos and principles.
In the meantime, happy trails, Paul Wulff. At least you know that some of your fellow alumni appreciate not only you and your efforts, but the values and principles that you valiantly stood and fought for.
The only people having a tougher go than Paul Wulff and me today is our man Vince Grippi. First, Withers breaks the story last night, now Howie Stalwick is the first to issue a follow: http://washingtonstate.scout.com/2/1133077.html
And its 2:00pm Pacific?
@Sutra Grippi in full on, old school "four corners"
Offense. We're talking pre-shot clock, Georgetown-Carolina, Dean Smith John Thompson four corners offense where you stall, stall, stall and hope for the clock to run out. Because you know Grippi can't wait to start retirement, sitting in a room and staring at a wall for 14 hours a day.
@Sutra Or maybe he's taking abreak this Sunday, enjoying himself and his wife, sipping on an ice cold drink, thinking about retirement, while maintaining the appearance of a journalist determined to get the story on his off-day. In basketball, we call it "token pressure".
Nah, Vince wouldn't do that. But I wouldn't blame him if he did!
I want to see 3 more years of Wulff. Like he said in his press conference, we are right on the cusp of being *very* good.
I can understand why Moos would want to hire another coach, and maybe that is the best way to go right now, but if it is Leach is not our guy. I do not want to have to spend the next 4 years, or 10 years, or longer listening to jokes about Leach from my UW friends. At least hire someone with some character...
@krjohn29 If we hire Leach and if Leach wins like he did at Texas Tech and graduates his kids like he did at Tech and beats UW, then let the stupid Fuskies talk about Leach.....that just means their program is in shambles and they have nothing better to talk about.
Agree on some of the thoughts re Wulff ... the points about Leach, though, are junk at worst and ignorant speculation at most (you really think him attending the spring game after putting on a paid clinic was part of some "hidden plot")?
@Jenkins Nothing wrong with disagreement here. This is a free country and a free blog. But tossing around words like "ignorant speculation" feels a bit, well, ignorant. After all, is it "ignorant" to assume a half truth re: Leach's firing? Is it ignorant to question the wisdom and integrity involved in a hiring a coach that has "player abuse" attached to his forehead in neon lights? Is it ignorant to assume that as a part of the "coaching clinic" Moos put feelers out to gauge his interest. Personally, I would think that you would find it ignorant to assume that such convos did not happen.
Finally, all of this is based on the idea that Wulff was scheduled to get canned with a 5-7 record, after winning the Apple Cup, with Marshall as his starting QB for 3/4 of the year. Change those dynamics and you start to move the needle on my opinion.
If given the choice, I would give Wulff a 1 year extension, let him come back next year and if we did not win 7 it would be time for him to go. I mean, if you thought 'the blind side' was a good Hollywood story can you imagine the movie they could make on Wulff and his life, and then building back up the Cougs to respectability? But life does not always work that way. And while he is a true Coug, even I think a change can be 'exciting' which is probably 80% of why he will be let go (if it is true). Moos can raise $$ on the promise of change. Hard to get excited about staying the same. And the coaching record...each time they show it on the screen during a game...is just pathetic. I feel for him and his family and the staff. It would be hard for Wulff to get another head HC job but I bet he and his assistants could get jobs again. They showed that when the talent is better they seem to be able to get things done.
We should know more soon!
(PS... IF Moos is going to fire him..I am not sure if Leach is the guy but there had better be a 'guy' lined up. Cause if they are going to do a 'National Search' and we are competeing with possibly 3 other PAC 12 schools for coaches...we might get 3rd choice. If no guy lined up, Keep Wulff!)
If losing is the result of your values and principles then your rationale on Wulff is offbase. I don't want to offend anyone but I refer to that thought process as "CougThink". Time to stop thinking like losers and spend some money on a coach to build up our program. Everyone knows the ancillary pieces of a school benefit from a sucessful football program. It helps EVERYTHING. Go back and study the books from the last few years of Mike Price, you're going to see a school that is successful at many things.
If we would have paid Mike Price what he was worth instead of letting him leave we'd have a new stadium and new facilities. Instead we're starting from ground zero again. That's CougThink 101.
Mike Leach isn't perfect and he locks snot-nosed, entitled kids in a closet if they get out of step. I'll take that. And i'll take the 10 straight bowl games he took Texas Tech to.
If you're happy with and complimenting someone with a 9-40 record for being a good guy that's fine, but don't assume all Cougs think like losers.
@CSorensen Completely agree. I wouldn't mind keeping Wulff, but back when we got rid of Doba, Leach would have been my dream hire, and nothing has really changed since then. Now that we have the money, and he appears to be significantly undervalued by the College Football establishment (unfairly, in my opinion), and also appears to be seriously interested in coaching here, I think this is a golden opportunity to seize a high-quality coach who has also proven himself to be a leader of men. It's not like we're firing Ralph Friedgen here, our best season in the last four has been 4 wins.
@CSorensen Thank you for writing this. I completely agree.
@CSorensen I don't assume that all Cougs think like you.
@CSorensen Couldn't agree more.
Thumbs up for the part about thanking Wulff for his time and service here; he'll always be a part of the Cougar family and I greatly respect him for the dirty work he put in as coach here. I think you covered it pretty well. As for your melodramatic philosophical discussion about hiring Mike Leach, a big thumbs down. Yeah he's definitely quirky, but that may be the reason why he's had such dominating offenses. For some reason people question his morals/character/loyalty... he spent ten seasons at one of the least desirable big-12 schools, never had a losing season, and had one of the highest graduation rates in FBS football. The consensus about his firing from Texas Tech is that he was pushed out by the school the day before he was due to receive $800,000, and there were a lot of hard feelings over a lucrative contract he had just signed. I'll take 10 consecutive bowl games over the alternative any decade. Not to mention he runs the same style offense as Sturdy, just at an even higher level. I was against firing Wulff UNLESS we could get Mike Leach or Kevin Sumlin or someone at the same "big name" level... which it looks like we will be able to do.
Sumlin and Leach are going to UCLA and ASU..... not here.. @TruCoug89
I like Wulff and really wanted him to win and I think you would be hard pressed to find a true Cougar who didn't want Wulff to succeed here since he was a Coug and would probably stay a Coug for as long as he won. Yes, he made significant progress since he has been here, HOWEVER, it would be bad to forget some of the bad and poor things he has also done as coach that lead to him having a 9-40 record.
I am honestly torn, I can understand if Moos fires him, however I will also understand - and be happy with - if Moos also kept Wulff to let him finish what he started. If Wulff is retained he MUST make major changes to his staff. Chris Ball and Judy Sears need to be replaced, what UW did to our defense was unacceptable. Also, Todd Strudy made some big strides the last year and a half, but sorry, he also should be replaced.
Either way, whoever is the coach next season they will have a very talented team and some very talented players who will be around for a few years. For that, thank you Paul Wulff.
@andspd1980 I don't want this to be an anti-Wulff post. No other FBS school would have accepted 9-40. WSU fans have been increditbly patient. I think Wulff's recruiting has been way overpraised. We finish last in rankings every year, (yes, rankings do matter), and we compete with WAC and BigSky teams for players. If we have a very talentted team, why are we still seeing bonehead mistakes, lack of execution, missed tackles, an OL that can't run block and can't protect the QB,, special teams that are a liability, a defense that is now 110th in D1 rankings? Why do we have missed assignments, players out of positiion, and stupid penalties? Wulff has blamed Doba and the situaition for 4 years. Now he has raised it to be "the worst program in FBS." He and his chief apologist Walden are the only ones who have said this, and frankly I don't believe him. He took a 5-7 team with some talent and made it worse. Next year if he is retained, there will be new excuses.
@bpcoug54@andspd1980 Fun fact: there are 13 seniors/rs seniors on this team (source: http://www.wsucougars.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wast-m-footbl-mtt.html). Typical recruiting classes consist of 20-25 kids. Some of these 13 were Wulff's JC recruits. So again, tell me how part of this mess isn't Doba's fault?
Actually if you read what I wrote I said the Northwest included Leaf. Are there exceptions to the rule of course.I'm just saying don't go to freaking Fresno to get a quarterback when you got northwest gunslingers within a 300 mile radius. How do you rate anyways? I like Leaf a lot I think he is good person, but most NFLfans would think he is a dud. Whereas Rypien won a Superbowl, and dint forget Bledsoe. So who is better. I'm so sick of the loser Coug mentality, "that ohHaliday is great but he will only be ready by his junioryear"Yeah right did you not see Haliday make us truly competitive against ASU and Utah? Tuel is just plain not that good, he is prone to
injury in college and in highschool, and yes I stand by what I say he is not a Northwest gunslinger, he is just average and has never made us competitive. If Haliday is so young then why did Oregon start a freshman and why did Pete Carrol start Barkley as a Freshman? My argument is bit emotional but it's very rational. Haliday is better than Tuel....period. I never compared Locker's stats to Tuel's I just stated that Locker was another example of a Northwest gunslinger, that's it.
@justfax24 I never commented on Willingham but the Butt baby thing was so funny I can't respond. I'll make all the comments I want so in turn you can shut the ---- up. Yeah you have no idea if I played or went to games what are you the F.B.I.? So again shut the f--- up. Obviously everything I said about Wulff was correct cause Moos and Floyd got rid of that arrogant loser, and they obviously know more than your butt baby -ss does.So apparently I do know a thing or two about building a winning program, based on
Floyd's and Moos' actions. No I don't defend Doba I am just certain that real coaches don't make excuses about the prior coaching regime. So basically you are a big mouth with no knowledge, except the butt baby comment, which was really funny.
I'm sorry cougnation but your assessment is horrid and completely emotionally based. How about comparing tuel's stats to first round NW QB draft choice Locker. Can we say check mate.......
ou want to compare Holliday who has played in practice all year to Tuel who was still injured and rusty. Wow, this must be the coug think you talk about where UW makes the joke that both applied to UW. . .. Give me a break. Holliday has potential and may be better than Tuel when he is a Jr, but the best QB in WSU history came from Montana not Washington and the next came from Hawaii.
@Soze @LucasNurmi @bpcoug54 Sorry I disagree I know a northwest gunslinger when I see one. I also can make an accurate assessment of talent in two games and Halliday is a quantum leap above Tuel. Also it just goes further than that, the definition of insanity is to so the same thing over and over again and expect different results, nothing changed when Lobb and Tuel were playing, cause they are mediocre. Then Halliday comes in and takes care of ASU and almost beat Utah. It goes beyond Halliday being a stud, look at the way Halliday throws he doesn't throw the ball he slings it, and very quickly almost as if he is just using his wrist, Tuel and Lobb just don't have that ability, they are slow and easy to read. I've never seen Halliday play in highschool so that is not even in the equation.
@WallaCoug @Soze @bpcoug54 @andspd1980 actually wallacoug you are right he could be another Derek Andeson but again that is where coaching comes in, a great quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, et cetera can train a gunslinger like Spokanes finest, Connor Halliday to be mostly interception free, but it again it comes down to good coaching. I apologize for being so vocal and so opiniated but I'm down here in, "Smell A", a.k.a. Los Angeles and it may seem weird but I just take a lot of pride in my State; it also drives me nuts to see all this speed and athletic talent on the local tv down here, and not see Wulff offering some of these kids a way better life in Pullman, cause Lane Kiffin and Slick Rick can't recruit all the talent down here .I haven't seen Wulff make much of an effort to recruit down in Los Angeles. Call me prejudice, but every couple of years the Northwest produces a gunslinger. The last one was Locker, which was great for the UW I'm happy for them, but now it is our turn and Halliday if coached right, and protected will lead the Cougar Nation into a new era of prosperity.
@Cougs182 Nope, lots of other stats to consider when you actually take some time to dig into it. But yes, to the casual Saturday viewer, that is the only stat that you consider.
@Longball Well said.
@bpcoug54@Soze@andspd1980 BPCoug for you to complain about anyone else playing fast and loose with the truth is a fucking joke. In another comment you replied to Sutra complaining about our APR score being 925 under Wulff, but of course what you either fail to understand or refuse to acknowledge is that the only reason it is that low is because Doba's last season is till counted in the 4 year rolling score. Every year under Wulff they have posted very good APR's and VASTLY improved over the previous years. So there are two options here:
1. You are a willfully ignorant moron.
2. You are an asshole who has to lie to defend your point.
I am going with all of the above. And frankly, we can make fun of Bp all we want, but facts are something ALL the Wulff haters have always had to twist beyond recognition.
@LucasNurmi @Soze @bpcoug54 yeah you talk big but again what is Tuel's record as a starter???? Yeah.... You talk all that BS all you want there were plenty of quarterbacks available on the west coast in 2009, .....but you keep that blind optimism about Tuel and if and when he starts in 2012 enjoy another Tuel Time season of mediocrity. I'm not saying absolutely in all cases get your QB from the Northwest, but gee where did Mark Rypien come from Drew Bledsoe come from, where did Ryan Leaf come from where did Where did Kellen Moore come from, Jake Locker...et cetera.....and Connor Halliday is from the Northwest and Tuel is from Fresno, and Halliday is a 100 times better than Tuel....but again keep believing that Tuel is going to get make the cougs bowl-eligible next year and you will be in for a rude awakening.
@WallaCoug @Soze @bpcoug54 @andspd1980
Yeah I knew someone would bring the three picks up which is complete BS. The kid made some mistakes but again he is way better than Tuel...and did anybody stop to think that Utah is a very respectable team, they are sure better than Colorado....and it was snowing......the three interceptions is not a valid argument against Halliday being the starting quarterback. Ah the lets give Halliday some time to mature....same coug-I-love-to-lose attitude. What is Tuel's record as a starter?...not good...no bueno.....gee Matt Barkley started as a freshman.....hmmm what's SC's record this year? Sometimes in life you gotta take chances and Tuel is taking us nowhere. Halliday for starting quarterback in 2012.
@Soze and of course Connor Halliday would be the starting quarterback.....next stop for the Cougs....the, "Halliday Bowl".
@Soze I'm just saying it's not acceptable to make excuses for Paul Wulff's lack of scholarship players, Bill Doba this Bill Doba that. How he inherited a bad program.....and so on like I said to defend and thank Paul Wulff at this point presents a losing attitude and implies that those people that defend Wulff are fast becoming used to losing. I'm with all of you on keeping Wulff but to defend him come on .....my god O.J. had a better defense. Paul Wulff plain and simple is guilty of losing a lot of games,
making excuses, and putting way too much faith in mediocre quarterback. If I could make the decision, Paul Wulff would be given one more year to make this team bowl-eligible.
@cougnation@Soze@bpcoug54 I've read a lot of dumb shit over the years concerning WSU, but I'm sorry to whoever you are, this is the dumbest thing that I've ever read. You would build a winning program by recruiting a NW based QB? Who in the recruiting class of 2009, in the NW, was better than Jeff Tuel?
@cougnation Nobody is saying its acceptable to lose, brah.
@WallaCoug @Soze @bpcoug54 @andspd1980
Sorry it's not a weak quip it's the truth real men stop making excuses and just win and if they don't they just take the blame during the press conference not sit there and make excuses. I stand by what I say excuses about
Doba are really not valid. No Doba was not
my favorite but does anybody including Wulff consider that maybe Doba had family problems or even health problems that would have affected his judgement. Again the defend Paul Wulff and blame Doba Mantra has to stop, and just give Wulff one year to prove that he can make WSU bowl eligible in 2012.......I'm not saying hire Mike Leach I'm saying keep Wulff, but defend Wulff's last four years.....that is just crazy.......Look what Halliday did against Arizona State and look how good he played at Utah......Connor Halliday is the future of Coug football and is 100 times better than Tuel....
Yeah I don't disagree JC players need to be kept at a minimum but like you stated there is real talent there.
@GOCOUGS2002 @Soze @bpcoug54
I feel as if after two years of people defending Wulff with all this talk about Doba and and the lack of scholarship players, it's like you guys have really gotten used to losing and enough is enough I have to speak
out against all this Paul Wulff is great talk.it's perfectly ok to say you could do a better job than Wulff..
..cause a lot of people could do a way better job than Wulff...why cause Wulff has experience playing...yeah did Chip Kelly have playing experience in College? No...and Chip just wins. Again I don't want to hear the excuses about how he had no Doba and Phil Nike and the program that Belotti built for him....there is no more time for excuses...just win. Yes I know Halliday is from Spokane..remember I'm his biggest fan. The point I was trying to make is get your quarterback from the Northwest and get your speedy running backs from South Central Los Angeles there is a wealth of talent there....I should know I lived there. I even had to take a class that took place at Long Beach Poly Highschool....home of one of my favorite Cougs......Don Sasa....go ahead google their website LB Poly football they have been turning out NFl players just about every year. When I attended this class I saw this huge Samoan kid who played football, and I told him to go to WSU. It may sound like a stupid story....but I guarantee you Paul Wulff never even considered that school or many others in Los Angeles and it shows, and that basically Wulff is not that great of a recruiter as everybody think he is. Idaho are you serious?? There not even in the PAC-12. Oh and Speaking of Idaho where is Boise State's quarterback from......Prosser, WA. I stand by what I say Wulff is just an excuse maker and only needs to be extended a year because so much has been invested in him.
Not knocking JCs. We're just saying they are stop-gap measures that you may get one good year of service from and perhaps two. Having kids in the system for five years may get you as many as four serviceable years and two or three great ones.
I attended Walla Walla Community College for two years. We were the WSU JV team. If your grades weren't good enough to make Wazzu, they'd direct you to WWCC. I remember when we had both Dorian Boose and Leon Bender here at the same time! Boose went on to play for the Jets, and Bender had he not died would have played for the Raiders. He was a first round compensatory pick.
@cougnation@Soze@bpcoug54 It's not that we like losing, nor do I (I won't speak for anyone else) blindly support Wulff; people on here are merely pointing out the facts bearing on the situation. Neither you nor I can coach or recruit better than Wulff, however we can sit here behind our keyboards and speculate all day about what WSU should or should not do. On a final note, Halliday is from Spokane so I don't think it is an accurate assessment that we only recruit CA or Big Sky...which seems to work for a top ten team in Idaho.
@Soze @bpcoug54 @andspd1980 There have been quite a few Cougs that have come out of JC. Anybody who knocks JC players for anything other than academics and behavior problems, doesn't know that there is real talent in the various JC programs, or hasn't ever actually watched a JC game to see there is real talent available. Should you stock your whole team with JC players?.....no but there is def. talented players from The JCs......like Cam Newton.
@GOCOUGS2002 @Soze @bpcoug54
Yeah you guys like to talk but bottom line is you guys seem to like losing and supporting Wulff. It's just a loser attitude. I keep hearing this blind optimism about Wulff and excuses about Doba. Maybe if your Camp would stop catering to Paul Wulff and making excuses about JC players and the lack of scholarships, and it just illuminates how much you guys whine and make excuse for Wulff
I assure you I could do a better job than Wulff. First of al I would not recruit Big Sky players. My quarterback would have been from The Northwest...not Bleepin' Fresno, Ca, and furthemore unlike Wulff I wouldn't be a little child and blame Doba. Real men suck it up and just take the blame not sit there and whine like Wulff.
@Soze @bpcoug54 @andspd1980
Anybody who blames Doba is weak and would do well in the town of Excuseville. You give me Paul Wulff's Salary and I guarantee you I would never blame Doba, it just childish. Paul Wulff has no one to blame but himself. I really don't know why people defend Wulff he has failed to win these last four years
@Soze@andspd1980 Earlier this year there was a count that 5 of the players on this year's team were Doba recruits. Karstetter, Mitz, Lobbestael, Wagner, Bland ? Not exactly sure. All the others are Wulff recruits. You're still blaming Doba over 5 players???? Wulff like to play fast and loose with the ttruth. This fall he said "we aren't even up to 85 scholarship players." , implying that that was the result of Doba-related sanctions. Of course he didn't mention the attrition rate of his own crappy 2009 class.
Good work making that not to be an anti-Wulff post. I'm not sure that means what you think it means. @bpcoug54