What's up Cougs? Boy, not much going on is there? A whole buncha stuff swirling around, so let's dive in.
First of all, PAC-10 expansion. Sure sounds like a reality, doesn't it? The question seems to no longer be an "IF", but more like "WHO" and "WHEN". The timing seems absolutely perfect in regards to the TV contracts expiring after 2011-2012. And, there's a new fly in the ointment - per Scott Woodward, Washington's AD yesterday evening on KJR-AM, the scuttlebutt is that the Big 10 could add another five teams to the mix, giving them a whopping 16 teams in their conference! Included in this could be Pitt, Mizzou, as well as some other northeast schools that they may try to poach from the Big East.
Woodward's point was that some of this can be driven by the reality, now, that they have to consider these measures if they are going to keep up with the rest of the country. The SEC, the ACC, the Big East, the Big 12, all these conferences have made some drastic changes in the last 15-or-so years, including adding teams and playing a conference championship game. The Pac-10 is the only power BCS conference that has stayed the same since adding the Arizona schools in the 70's. The hiring of Larry Scott and now Kevin Weiberg, the former Big 12 commish and Big 10 exec, it's pretty clear that they are thinking big on this thing.
We have some thoughts on this very topic, and we have made some of those thoughts known in the past. But does it really matter what WSU thinks? Sure, we have a voice in this, I mean we are still in the club and all that stuff. But, uh, yeah, we're 10th out of 10 in pretty much everything, from revenue, ticket sales, season ticket holders, media market....you get the picture, that we are at the little kids table in all this. We'll pipe up here and there, maybe even get a laugh from the big boys, but we'll be mostly ignored while the grown-ups talk about grown-up stuff, like money and business and that sort of thing. You wouldn't be interested......
Of course, I"m kidding. We're in this with the rest of the conference. But man, when you consider the quest for revenue, and increased exposure to boot, all this sure makes sense. The possibilities are many, and I'm sure we'll hear and see arguments made in the days ahead from pretty much every corner of the WSU/PAC-10 blogosphere.
The first issue is the small pool of potential candidates. The teams most often mentioned -- mostly by fans -- are Utah, BYU, Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado, Fresno State, Nevada, UNLV and TCU.
A couple of those are intriguing possibilities, but a couple wouldn't even be considered.
Programs need to be an academic and athletic match. That means admission standards and research accreditation are issues. On the athletic side, it's not just about football. How strong is the entire athletic department? Recall the Pac-10 is the "Conference of Champions" and Olympic and women's sports are part of that foundation.
Then there's the biggest issue: Money. If the Pac-10 were to expand, it wants that expansion to mean more of it. There's widespread concern that a number of the potential candidates don't come from markets that will increase revenue.
Bringing in Utah and Colorado might be a winner (Salt Lake City and Denver markets), and at least one Pac-10 athletic director said that's the most likely scenario. Of course, prying Colorado away from the Big 12 might not be easy.
TCU, perhaps? There are issues -- distance being an obvious one -- but Pac-10 coaches would salivate over a bigger potential recruiting footprint in Texas.
What Scott has or will shortly realize: There are no slam-dunk solutions that will make everyone cheer.
Miller hits it on the head, as usual. Money is a biggie, no question. And let's get real, adding two more teams will certainly increase revenue. Why in the world would they even bring up this idea amongst the PAC-10 leadership if it meant LESS amounts of the proverbial pie for each and every PAC-10 school?
Miller's suggestion of Utah and maybe Colorado make a lot of sense too. Utah, well, Utah has been "PAC-10 ready" for years, in both academics and athletics. This, according to our own blogfather who happens to have taught at the collegiate level, Coug-a-Sutra. And for that matter, Sutra's had a family member who taught at Utah, and that family member said the very same thing. Not only are they ready to be in the PAC-10, but they want it, and have wanted it, for some time. And, adding the Salt Lake City market to a new PAC-10 TV network could be an easy way to generate revenue! After all, the more TV sets you have to display your product, the better your TV ratings, the more the advertisers pay to pitch their products during timeouts, and therefore, the more money the broadcasters pay for the product, which is PAC-10 football/basketball. It's a perfect fit.
Colorado, on the other hand, seems a little more tricky. While there have been some reports that they aren't exactly thrilled with the Big 12, still, they have been in that Big 8/Big 12 Conference alignment for some time. And they like to recruit Texas just as much as any other Big 12 school, would they be able to do so as a member of the PAC-10? They would, but, it might not be as easy playing in another time zone against primarily west coast schools. So, they might have to re-establish many of their SoCal recruiting ties, back to the Bill McCartney era when they were getting a lot more LA kids then they ever had. But Colorado is the furthest west of any Big 12 team, so if the PAC-10 were to try and nab an existing BCS school, with the Denver TV market in tow, they would be the most logical second choice.
As far as what the addition of two more teams would do to scheduling, conference divisions, that sort of thing? It wouldn't be that hard, would it? You could have a PAC-10 north of, say, WSU, UW, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah and Colorado. In the PAC-10 south, you could have Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona and ASU. Just like the SEC, you schedule five games against your inter-divisional opponents, and three games against the other division, missing three of the schools on the other side of the division. You add three non-conference games, with one cupcake, one mid-level team and one upper-level opponent, and that puts you at 11 regular-season games. Win your division and you play a 12th game, in a PAC-10 title game. Rotate the venue amongst the NFL stadiums in the PAC-10 - Seattle, San Francisco, Phoenix, Denver, Oakland, etc. Not THAT hard, really?
I guess it boils down to keeping up with the rest of the world, or sitting on the sidelines in our old PAC-10 ways. Given the choice, and what's going on around the rest of the country, I say we sit at the table and feast on whatever additional revenue comes WSU's way. What do we as WSU fans have to lose at this point??
Moving on....
Some good news on the recruiting front. First, newly signed JC wide receiver Isiah Barton has a new Youtube highlight video online, and it's pretty impressive. Check it out:
Ok, some sloppy tackling on a few of those highlights....but still, some big-play ability for a Coug offense that is going to need someone to stretch the field next year. Looks good!
Next, a new signee for this year's class has come through, and this one is a bit of a surprise. Xavier Cooper, a 6-5, 265-lb athletic defensive tackle with 4.8 speed, has signed with WSU. Cooper's regarded as an excellent athlete, competing in the 100 meter dash in track and able to dunk a basketball with his explosive leaping ability. The surprising part of this story is he is not a JC transfer, rather a late high school signee who didn't sign with anyone on signing day last week. Turns out academics were a big issue, but at the last moment, they were cleared up per Cougfan. Cooper had interest from Tennessee and Wisconsin, among many, but when the academics were murky the offers weren't flowing. Looks like it is all systems go now, and even if they aren't, a grayshirt is a possibility. So, Wulff gets another big, athletic body to add to the class. Nice find for the coaches, and welcome to Pullman Xavier Cooper! Here's some video for your viewing pleasure (he's #51 in the highlights):
The Brandon Jones era has come to an end, after Jones was arrested for DUI over the weekend. This wasn't the first strike for Jones either, after he was suspended in early December on an assault charge. Jones struggled with injuries and inconsistency as a starting corner in '09. With some young talent coming back in the secondary next year, as well as some new redshirts ready to hit the field, I don't think Jones will be missed too greatly if you want to know the truth. Probably best for both parties to move on at this point.
Finally, one last look at the Saints and the Super Bowl. This, from a sports bar in New Orleans, at the moment of the game-sealing pick-six, giving the Saints a two-score lead with just a few minutes left to go:
Amazing. Who Dat is right. What a moment for a town that was 85% under water four years ago, they flat-out deserve it!
The Big 10(11) expansion could really change the landscape for every conference. If they do add 5 teams it could really shuffle things around. Say they take Mizzou and one or two others like Nebraska or Iowa State from the Big 12 North. Then take Pitt, Rutgers and maybe Syracuse or West Virginia from the Big East. That would leave the Big 12 scrambling, probably picking up TCU and maybe Houston or Tulsa. Then the Pac-10 picks up Utah and Colorado. The Big East would really hurting and would probably not be able to keep up the BCS status. The MW would lose a lot off the top and would have to poach from the WAC, probably the best bet at that point would be for the two leagues to merge and form one big conference (again) and hope for the Big East BCS bid. Could get really interesting.
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Isiah Barton Highlight Video written by unknown,
February 10, 2010
Own the network! written by Portland Coug,
February 10, 2010
It isn't only advertising revenue, which is a big part and great point when talking ratings from the SLC and DEN tv markets. But when you have you own network, you get the subscribers that come for the ride. Everyone who ponies up the 5.00 a mnth for the Pac 12 network the conference gets a piece. Adding the new markets to west hubs like Seattle, LA, Phoenix, San Fran, it is even more money to be made! The big ten had over 60 million in revenue last year and that is in some smaller markets. The Pac 12 could be a monster. Get used to the idea kids, this is happening.
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Timing written by WSU91,
February 10, 2010
Portland - I agree with you. I think the Pac-10 will expand, it's only a matter of with whom and when.
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The ONLY options... written by '03CouveCoug,
February 10, 2010
Praise to Ted Miller and Sean for de-bunking many of the so-called “options” for expansion. I’m so sick and tired of hearing uninformed fans calling for the likes of Boise State, Fresno State and Hawaii, etc. to join the conference. We have principles, folks…and there’s more to being a part of the Pac-10 athletically than just football. Everyone seems to forget those pesky little academic standards that we have, as well.
The fact of the matter is that the ONLY teams that even make reasonable sense that are located west of the Rocky Mountains are Colorado and Utah, as they are the only schools to pass muster academically and athletically. If the Pac-10 really is going to expand, I sure hope that it’s with the two of these programs. I don’t know, but to me, it seems absurd to be adding teams to the “Pac-10” from Texas…it just seems wrong.
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Colorado = perfect! written by SeanHawk,
February 10, 2010
Just heard Ian Furness on KJR with a beat writer from Denver, and wow, it sounds like the Buffs are a perfect fit!
They are in the aau which recognizes the top 60+ research institutions in the country. The PAC 10 has seven schools in the organization (WSU, OSU and ASU are not in). They aren't exactly thrilled with the Big 12 economic model, described as the rich (Texas) getting richer while others (CU) stay the same. Even with more teams, they still could get a nice piece of the pie. Of course, the Denver TV market in a major league city. They have enough sports to maintain their eligibility (16). They have a very big west coast presence, where 39% of their students are from out of state, almost like a private school. And, I wad wrong earlier in that their Texas recruiting ties aren't that strong, in fact it is a criticism of CU that they don't recruit Texas enough. They have a LOT of Cali players on their roster, and being in the Pac 10 could really help them in that SoCal region. Finally, CU's rivalries aren't that big of a deal. Nebraska considers Oahoma their rival, even though many CU fans say Nebraska is their rival.
Anyway, great work by Ian, and Colorado sounds better by the minute!
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... written by kaddy,
February 10, 2010
I have to admit that I'm kind of excited about Utah and CU. Definitely more money for the league, but harder for WSU to recruit in place like Utah, now that they would have a BCS Pac-10 school right there. Not that we take many players out of Utah, anyway.
Got goosebumps watching that Saints video.
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Texas written by WSU91,
February 10, 2010
The Texas angle is interesting, especially if the Big-12 is on the verge of blowing up due to the Big-10 poaching exercise. Maybe the Pac-10 should add Texas and Texas A&M to preserve the in-state natural rivals symmetry. This would also allow Stanford and California to be in the Pac-10 north, thus giving the Oregon and Washington school at least a guarantee of playing every year somewhere in CA.
Overall geography is less important anymore. Hell, you coudl argue the Pac-8 busted tradition by adding the Arizona schools, as Arizona doesn't touch the Pacific Ocean.
How cool would it be to play the Texas Longhorns in Pullman? That will never happen any other way. Kind of intriguing.
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RE: Texas joining the Pac written by Soze,
February 10, 2010
Keep dreaming...
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Not so sure it's a dream written by WSU91,
February 10, 2010
Depends on how much the Big-10 can raid the current Big-12. If that releases the log-jam, who knows who might end up where?
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However written by WSU91,
February 10, 2010
I do agree that Utah and Colorado make the most sense as of today. Just thinking about what might happen given we don't know what the Big-10 is really up to.
You know, that was the rumor so many years ago, back before the big 12 was born. Texas would be insane though, wow, adding them to the mix would be amazing! The travel would be rough though, costly as well. Not just for the nw schools, but Texas having to come up north. And what about their long history with Okie and Nebraska? But it is a new world and anything is possible!
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Texas revisited written by WSU91,
February 10, 2010
Sean, Yes I remember that. I don't remember who the other school was, but I seem to think it wasn't necessarily Texas A&M. But it died when the Big-12 was formed.
AS for losing OK and Neb., well, the Big-12 forced the annual Neb. vs. OK game to go away, now they only play once every few years. At the time, it was unheard of, but things change. If it amazingly is Texas, I worry about a Pac-10 south dominated by Texas and USC, and them dominating the conference most of the time. But the good thing is that only one of them would get to go to the Pac-10 title game, and a northern school could knock them off easily in a Champ. game.
Then again, I'm guessing the Pac-10 would somehow create divisions that separated Texas and USC.
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... written by VikingCoug,
February 11, 2010
Any idea when we'll hear who the new running back coach is? I'm anxious to find out who will replace Bruiser. Also, I am sorry for my fearmongering in yesterdays comments. Change is Scary, especially when the current pac 10 layout has been the layout of the pac 10 all my life. The idea of splitting the conference in two would be good, but i think if we did that WSU should visit (or have visit) an Arizona School,a LA School and a bay area school every year.
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Texas & CU written by BornCoug,
February 11, 2010
Texas and CU were asked to join when the SWAC went the way of SMU. Texas wouldn't join without A&M coming along and A&M was not an academic match.
I don't know if Texas would consider it now. I would think the Big 12 would find programs to replace the schools that left. Maybe TCU, Houston, or even Utah.
Utah and CU make the most sense to me all things considered but I hope it stay as is.
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I don't like it... written by Cyberhwk,
February 11, 2010
Round Robin > Conferences
There any particular reason we can't start a PAC-10 network NOW?
Not only is Colorado not "Pacific" but it doesn't even BORDER a state with Pacific coastline. It's closer to KANSAS than any state currently containing a PAC -10 team. (Though, granted, it's more "west" than the NFC West St. Louis Rams).
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In a drunken dream.... written by TiltingRight,
February 11, 2010
I came up with a crazy scenario. Let's say the Big Ten isn't looking to add 1 school, but 5 (jumping to 16). Pitt, Mizzou, Nebraska, Kansas and Kansas State, completely demolishing the Big XII north.
The Pac Ten picks up Utah, Colorado, Texas, aTm, Oklahoma and Okie State. The above 6 plus Arizona and ASU make up the Inland Division, the original Pac 8 make up the Coastal Division.
Round robin scheduling within the division makes up 7 conference games, add two more with the other division and you play every team at least once during a 4 year career.
... yeah, okay... I'll go have another drink.
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TiltingRight' idea written by selahcoug,
February 11, 2010
I actually like that better than just the two team expansion. Would solve the Cali trips and would add a Texas or Oklahoma trip most years. Sounds kind of fun, even if not real likely.
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Even better written by selahcoug,
February 11, 2010
After a little more thought on the Tilting Right's 16 team league idea, how about this:
Pac 10 adds Utah/BYU, Colorado/CSU, & Nevada/UNLV. Then take all these new teams plus Arizona/ASU to make the Mountain Division and the original 8 being the Coastal Division. Keeps more natural rivalries, is more realistic than Texas or Oklahoma plus reduces the travel, adds to the tv footprint. The new teams mostly only play each other during league play so they have time to grow together. Just an idea, but I am liking it a lot more than just adding Utah and Colorado.
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NCAA written by WSU91,
February 11, 2010
All of this talk kind of makes you wonder if the NCAA shouldn't just take over the whole thing as one league with a bunch of 6 team divisions for all of college football. Make it kind of like the NFL in terms of alignment.
I know, even more crazy. But it would lead to a playoff.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$ written by norcalcoug,
February 11, 2010
Some of these proposals are quite interesting. But let's not forget that money is the driver. Pretty much everybody who gets into the new Pac must end up better off than they were before. Otherwise why would any school want to change? So calculate the new total pie, split it between the new teams and see how it comes out. (anybody have a staff who can do that? i don't)
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forgot to add written by norcalcoug,
February 11, 2010
that's my $.02, although it might be worth less than that.
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... written by LucasCoug,
February 11, 2010
Nevada, CSU, and UNLV would never make it into the Pac 10 because of the stringent academic requirements.
CyberHawk, the Rams are in the NFC West because they used to be in LA. Arizona and ASU are not bordering the Pacific Ocean either. This is all about acquiring strong TV markets, strong athletic programs, and great research universities. I would be surprised if it was anybody not named Colorado and Utah.
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... written by WallaCoug,
February 11, 2010
Also, Texas, Texas A&M, et. al., were in the SWC, not the SWAC. The SWAC is a 1-AA league of traditionally black schools. The SWC (Southwest Conference) was all Texas schools save Arkansas, who bolted for the the SEC, in large part leading to the doom of the "Texas League" as it probably should have been called.
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