Sunday, February 01, 2009

Super Sunday or, EH?; Best of Lists Continue


Happy Super Bowl Sunday! Ready to watch Pittsburgh and Arizona settle things on the field? And as a Seahawks fan, this is a tough one, and a question that has been sportstalk-fodder the last two weeks - who do YOU root for today? Do you root for your divisional rival in Arizona, a team that was a complete joke until just a few years ago, often times compared to the LA Clippers in terms of losing as well as ownership ineptness? But as Hooty wrote recently, do you really want to see the Arizona Cardinals with a Lombardi trophy before our beloved Seahawks??

Meanwhile, as Matt Hasselbeck said in a radio interview this week, how can Seahawks fans root for Darth Vader in the Pittsburgh Steelers? I stumbled upon the 2006 NFL Films production of the Seahawks - Steelers Super Bowl last night on ESPN2, and about 30 seconds was all I could stomach before flipping it off. I forgot about how sour that game tasted.

Besides, there isn't a rooting interest from a WSU angle, as neither roster has a WSU player to be found, not even on practice squads or injured reserve. So it might be a weird feeling today.

But whatever. Enjoy the unofficial national holiday today, wherever you are.

Anyway, with signing day nearly upon us, some more "best of the west" recruiting lists have hit cyberspace. Where does WSU fit with these new lists? How about the "other" BCS school in the state?



Leading off with the good news, Scout.com has released their final Best 150 in the West list. Good news because WSU weighs in with ten recruits on this list, good for third in the PAC-10 behind UCLA and USC, seven of which are in the top 100.

Gino Simone - 44
Darren Markle - 57
Travis Long - 70
Arthur Burns - 84
Nolan Washington - 89
Jamal Atofau - 97
Chris Mastin - 100
Anthony Carpenter - 117
Jeff Tuel - 137
Andre Barrington - 141

As Scout.com says, all are three-star players, except for Simone's four star rating.

I think this list says it all. Not so much that we're getting the best of the best talent ala USC. But it speaks to the depth of this class and the potential it has to really build a strong foundation going forward. Getting seven of the top 100 alone speaks volumes for the kind of progress Wulff and the staff are making out on the trail. And the high-character stories on a lot of these kids is probably the best thing of all.

UW landed seven verbals on the list, but not a single one in the top 100. The highest-rated kid is none other than Desmond Trufant, coming in at 108.

Moving on, the News Tribune has their 2008-09 Western 100 out today. As the TNT says:

The Western 100 are the top 100 high school football recruits in the West (Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Wyoming), as selected by The News Tribune, which polled college coaches and various media outlets.

WSU finished with only THREE players on this list - Gino Simone, Darren Markle and Travis Long. Quite a difference compared to Scout.com. Washington? Um, zero. Even in a transition year with the new coaching staff, a zero? Really? I don't remember the last time they didn't even have one player in the top 100 in the western states.

The TNT also had this comp article with Wulff and Sarkisian. It's a good look at the different states of the recruiting process for both coaching staffs. Wulff's staff appears to have their footing, while Sarkisian is still scrambling to cobble something together before Wednesday.

One thing I found interesting about Sarkisian in that article is the idea of them selling the players on playing in the NFL. That somehow his system is going to prepare them for playing in the league, better than the other schools around. That's an easy thing for him to sit in living rooms and tout all the players he's helped coach up to play on Sundays.....while wearing a USC sweatsuit. Will he be able to say the same thing after a few years in Seattle? We'll see. But somehow I doubt he's going to have the same success in getting kids into the league...ya THINK?

Now I don't want to sit here and tout a whopping three players for WSU either. While we do believe this WSU class is looking strong in terms of overall depth, filled with high character, high-ceiling types, it's safe to say we still have a ways to go before we are challenging the upper half of the conference. But it's been preached since Wulff was introduced in December, and that is that this thing is going to take a while to build. As Wulff himself said all season long, we have to build layers upon layers upon layers of depth, so you aren't forced to throw the young out into the wild. But I am also confident in saying that IF Wulff can sign at least two more recruiting classes like this one, the ideal program Wulff is shooting for will be much closer to reality.

That's it for a super Sunday. ENJOY YOUR DAY, and GO COUGS!


20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good lord what a football game. I HATE THE STEALERS! Ariz was stupid on all those penalties. GO HAWKS/COUGS!

Chris said...

For the love of Mary when are the SeaCock fans going to get over that game???? God Himself could have struck down the entire Steelers offense and our defense would have still won that game. If Hasselbeck truly compared the Steelers to "Darth Vader" then that says a lot about him as a person. The Steelers organization is the CLASS of the NFL, hands down. We have 6 rings to prove it, a rule designed to promote minority coaches named after our owner, and a tradition of winning and stability like no other. GET OVER IT.

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Longball said...

Ha ha,

Classic! Gotta love a rabid fan from the Steel City, er wait... Looks like Chris is from... Pullman? Huh? Whats with all the "we" stuff, Chris?

Anonymous said...

The Steelers organization is the CLASS of the NFL, hands down.

Signed,

The team with the guy who punched a player while he was down on the ground three times.

Stay classy.

Anonymous said...

Steeler fans are as bad as Raiders fans.

Chris said...

Longball, I was born in Moon Township, PA. About 7 miles from downtown Pittsburgh. My whole family still resides there and I there over Christmas (for a funeral, sadly).

Don't let the actions of one player rub you the wrong way. Joey Porter was a loud mouth dirty player and the Steelers let him go in his prime.

You guys will never understand what "Steeler Nation" means. No other team in the league will fill up an opponents stadium like we do (just ask the Redskins).

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Chris said...

Longball, I was born in Moon Township, PA. About 7 miles from downtown Pittsburgh. My whole family still resides there and I there over Christmas (for a funeral, sadly).

Don't let the actions of one player rub you the wrong way. Joey Porter was a loud mouth dirty player and the Steelers let him go in his prime.

You guys will never understand what "Steeler Nation" means. No other team in the league will fill up an opponents stadium like we do (just ask the Redskins).

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Longball said...

Thanks Chris,

So filling up opponents stadiums is now a standard of worthy fandom. That puts the Steelers right up there with the Raiders, Lakers, Red Sox and Yankees. I guess one man's "Nation" is another man's bandwaggon.

Sedihawk said...

Chris, we get it. It's cool. Steeler fans are bananas about their team and the tradition and loyalty is as good as it gets. 90% of that stadium last night was waving terrible towels, just like in Detroit a few years ago. And even if a lot of those fans had to blow their savings to get to Tampa, they made it. It is extremely impressive. Outside of Yankee fans, you just don't see that kind of thing in pro sports.

You are always welcome here, you know that. But please, don't sit there and yell GET OVER IT to Seahawk fans. Would Steeler fans have gotten over it if the situation was reversed? Maybe, because of all the other SB trophies in the team headquarters. That game for Seahawk fans will always have a horrible taste, from the Bus "love in" to their own boneheaded plays to the refs making some strange calls. It was their one shot on a national stage to show what they could do, and to have the game go that way was just brutal. But it's not cool to criticize what you don't understand. Let Seahawk fans alone while you count your SB trophies will ya?

Chris said...

Longball - Seahawks' fan will simply never understand. Read Dan Rooney's autobiography if your looking for some background of the organization. Its insightful and thorough about the origins of the franchise, from an entrepreneur on the North Shore who was actually a huge baseball fan to 5 SB trophies later (book was written in '07). The amount of stock the city of Pittsburgh and its inhabitants have in this team is unrivaled, period. Well traversed fans is only part of it.

Sedi-Well put, I'll drop it. But I wish Seahawk fans would finally put this one to rest as well.

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Cougar Jen said...

Forget the nfl it sucks-biased BS. How about the Cougs getting 10 of the top 150 in the west. that is impressive on its own until yo consider that is good for 3rd in PAC behind only SC and UCLA. I thought Stanford was number two in conference recruits. But think about it ladies and gents, we just had a 2-win horror show of 08 and here we are with 10 of the top 150 out west. If you diminish that think any of the 7 PAC schools behind us would like to trade? Good coverage on recruiting guys. Just enough to suplement the other places you always have a good spin on things. Come to think of it you always give a good cougar spin to everything. Maybe change the name to cougspin.com?

Anonymous said...

Chris here is a chance to HATE on Jason Whitlock:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9168548/Here's-the-real-MVP-of-Super-Bowl-XLIII?MSNHPHMA

AMPIPE FOOTBALL RULES!

Longball said...

Coug Jen,

Thanks for bringing us back down to earth. "Cougspin", I like it. For a second there I thought we had become Steelerhumpers.com. whew!

It sounds to me like some of the most interesting gets in this class have flown below the star system. The Canadian WR and the late commit LB from the bay are intriguing.

Chris said...

God forbid we discuss a team that actually won something this year. But hey, lets get back to wallowing in "what could have been...", Seahawk fans.

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Anonymous said...

Dude, quit ripping on the Seahawks. I thought this was a Cougar site. Good for Pittsburgh. Six Superbowls. Congratulations.

Bart Starr > Terry Bradshaw said...

Pittsburgh is ok. Their 6 super bowls are cute.

Signed,

The GREEN BAY PACKERS AND THEIR 15 NFL/SUPER BOWL TITLES! Keep it up Stealers you are almost halfway there.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/403952/green_bay_packers_still_undisputed.html

Chris said...

In case you missed what this "Cougar site" wrote, here are the first 2 paragraphs from today's blog entry:

"Happy Super Bowl Sunday! Ready to watch Pittsburgh and Arizona settle things on the field? And as a Seahawks fan, this is a tough one, and a question that has been sportstalk-fodder the last two weeks - who do YOU root for today? Do you root for your divisional rival in Arizona, a team that was a complete joke until just a few years ago, often times compared to the LA Clippers in terms of losing as well as ownership ineptness? But as Hooty wrote recently, do you really want to see the Arizona Cardinals with a Lombardi trophy before our beloved Seahawks??

Meanwhile, as Matt Hasselbeck said in a radio interview this week, how can Seahawks fans root for Darth Vader in the Pittsburgh Steelers? I stumbled upon the 2006 NFL Films production of the Seahawks - Steelers Super Bowl last night on ESPN2, and about 30 seconds was all I could stomach before flipping it off. I forgot about how sour that game tasted."

It was an obvious swipe at the Steelers and a sad attempt at pity. I'll stop talking about the most successful franchise in Super Bowl history when Seahawk fans get over losing the only chance they will ever get.

Chris '04
Pullman, WA

Sedihawk said...

Wow, what's with all the comments? Bart Starr > Terry Bradshaw? That's some name you got there. Ampipe football rules?? Can't help but laugh at that! And what is with the "signed" in the comments? People e-mail Jim Rome in that fashion all the time. It's funny, but copycat.

And Chris, it wasn't a swipe at the Steelers. It was asking a question of Seahawk fans about who to root for. The former hapless divisional rival in AZ? Or the Steelers after that sour game in '06? That's it. Besides, why worry what anyone says around here? Your guys won and that's it.

OlyCoug said...

God, I forgot how bad Raider...er Steeler fans can get. I'm sure there are thousands of pro-Steeler blogs out there. You're not going to find a lot of people around here who support the Steelers and you're not going to change anyone's mind so what's the point of arguing? Good job...the team you root for won the Superbowl again. No one's arguing that they're not a good team or didn't deserve it. We're just not fans. GO COUGS!!!!!

Soze said...

Chris - You are representing the "class" of the Pittsburgh Steelers organization well. Just let the Seahawks fans complain (I'm one of them) and take your titles to the sandbox.